so the rtx 3080 is already here and  finding one is  already almost impossible but we're  still going to come up with some cool  content and in this case we want to  focus on amd's  ryzen scaling you see if you caught our  launch day coverage which you can check  it out right over here and i hope you  didn't miss that  we approached this release differently  from the others  honestly it was a foregone conclusion  that the rtx 3080 can beat the fastest  gpu from  last generation we also wondered could  it dominate when you install it  onto an older system you know could it  give you performance or massive  performance improvement without giving  your gaming rig  a complete facelift instead of only  pairing the 3080 with a super expensive  cpu that's out of most people's budget  we install it into a gaming system you  could buy three years ago  and the results well it turned out that  an older i7 7700k  only lost by a few frames per second at  1440p  and was pretty much neck to neck with  the 10900k  at 4k it was really impressive to see  but you know what's even more impressive  amd's dominance in the processor market  right now  there aren't just the more affordable  option anymore ryzen is now the right  choice for most users  also 3rd gen ryzen cpus and b550  motherboards are no-brainers for people  looking for a more affordable system  upgrade so this video's purpose is to  show ryzen users  what they can expect with an rtx 3080  and whether or not  if they need to spend a lot of money to  get the best out of it also  just like the previous video we will be  comparing current ryzen cpus  to the ones that were launched almost  three years ago so let's get to that  right after this say hello to proper  airflow with be quiet purebase 500dx  a compact mid tower with a mesh front  panel and three  140 millimeter purewings 2 fans that are  silent and capable  enjoy tasteful argp illumination a type  c port  and an easy case to work in check it out  below  okay so let's get some housekeeping out  of the way before diving right into the  benchmarks  what we're going with this video is sort  of bookmarking the first  and third gen ryzen desktop lineups it  all boils down to price  on one hand we're using a four core four  thread ryzen 3 1300x  which was one of the most popular budget  processors back when it was launched in  2017  for about 130 us dollars and yeah i know  that using a  super high-end gpu on an entry-level cpu  might sound completely nuts  but it should give us some interesting  baseline  for the benchmarks of the results plus  why not the best equivalent to that  right now is the ryzen 3 3100 that goes  for about 120  it also is a native four core cpu but  amd is now enabled smt so it has eight  processing threats on the higher end is  the ryzen 7 1700x which has  eight cores and 16 threads a lot of  people chose it over the 1800s since it  was a hundred dollars  less and it offered pretty similar  performance especially in gaming  the equivalent nowadays is the 16 thread  3800 xt which was launched  at 400 and it happens to be our favorite  cpu right now  this thing's just awesome on paper it  has the same 4.7 gigahertz boost clock  as the 3900 xt  and the 3950x but our sample actually  hits higher sustained frequencies in  games  than either of those basically that  means it's a better choice for a pure  gaming system the last minute addition  for us was the 3950x which mike  literally decided to throw into the test  bench uh last minute  and of course there's intel's 10900k  since it's the fastest cpu  right now so it's the benchmark all  others will be measured against  now you might be wondering why there  aren't any other processors here and  i guess i can just build beans right now  believe it or not the actual differences  between the 1300x and the highest 10  ryzen cpus  aren't that big as you might expect in  gaming at least so the other processors  just sort of fall into a  narrow window as for the rest of the  test system specs they're pretty  identical except for the memory on first  gen ryzen  it just doesn't like the speeds in  excess of 3000 megahertz so  we kept it at that speed otherwise all  the test systems were configured  identically  since this is a super high-end gpu we're  going to be testing at 1440p  and 4k only expect to see 1080p come  back when we start looking at the 3070  though  also if you're using an ultrawide  3440x1440 monitor  you can expect results that are a bit  lower than 1440p  but not by a huge amount so how does  ryzen react when you hook it up to the  fastest gpu  right now well let's find out starting  with call of duty and right away you'll  see that there's literally no visual  difference between the 10900k  the 3800 xt and the 3850x things do  tighten up a bit more at 4k  but the older cpus are still pretty far  behind  but like i said in other videos the iw8  engine loves new architectures  frequencies and more cores at higher  resolutions like these cs go  still tends to be a bit cp bottlenecked  at 1440p  but the number of processing threads  really doesn't make an impact  this is all about how well a given  architecture can perform  in lightly threaded operations which is  why the first gen ryzen cpus  fall behind even at 4k another thing you  might start to see as these benchmarks  go by is while the 1300x  posts okay averages its quad core layout  negatively impacts the overall  smoothness of one percent lows  in a lot of titles in doom you can start  seeing evidence of gp bottlenecking in  1440p so  all the processors are pretty close to  one another that situation gets even  more apparent at 4k  it's really amazing to see what happens  when a game developer actually takes  time to optimize their game properly  flight simulator 2020 is the exact  opposite of doom  it's super demanding on all of your  systems resources but it seems to love  high cpu clocks and more than four  processing threads  then again this could come down to  optimizations too because  man oh man this is a game that's really  hard to run on any gaming rig  zero dawn brings us back to gp  bottlenecking again that means  all of the processors here perform  almost identically to one another  regardless of their generation that's  good to see for sure  since you could have any cpu from the  1300x  to the 3950x and expect pretty similar  frame rates  in this game with an rtx 3080. moving on  to rainbow six siege and  yep we have another game that's gpu  limited even at 1440p  4k ends up being pretty much a tie even  if you're rocking  a 130 cpu from three years ago in the  last video i mentioned the unreal engine  has a lot of optimizations built into it  for newer architectures  and these results prove it but only at  1440p  here it's obvious that the cpus are  becoming a bottleneck at least  at the high end but when you switch over  to 4k it's  more of the same with a straight line  between every single one of those  processors  there really isn't much to say about red  dead redemption 2 it's  all gpu bound what's interesting is it  seems like rockstar's many patches have  fixed some of the massive issues this  game used to have  with cpu scaling so now regardless of  whether you're playing at 1440p  or 4k the graphics card will choke long  before most processors become a problem  for performance but again  that quad-core architecture of the 1300x  means it's one percent lows results take  a beating one of the main problems with  overwatch is that its engine is limited  to  300 frames per second and it looks like  all of these systems here can hit pretty  close to that mark  consistently with the rtx 3080 installed  at 4k  there's a bit of a gpu limitation but  honestly at these kind of frame rates  upgrading the cpu to the best that's  available right now isn't going to make  a massive difference  well that ended up busting a lot of  preconceptions didn't it  you see as i mentioned in our launch  date coverage um  using the fastest cpu to benchmark  graphics cards eliminates  bottlenecks but it might give viewers  the wrong impression that that's the  type of hardware that they need for  something like an rtx 3080  because in reality stepping up from a  ryzen 3 3100 to something like the ryzen  9 3950x  will net you a few frames per second and  that's usually it  why you may ask well because at 1440p  and higher resolutions even the rtx 3080  can become a limiting factor  and that nullifies many of the  advantages of high-end cpus  other cars like the rtx 3070 would see  the gap narrow even more but there are  some exceptions so i want to dive a bit  further into what we saw  first of all the 3900 xt and 3950x  dominate in productivity apps but the  raw number of cores  actually works against them in gaming by  limiting frequencies in lightly threaded  workloads  that means a more efficient cpu like the  ryzen 7 3800 xt  can come along bust out some high  sustained speeds  and offer an equal to or better gaming  experience  while costing hundreds less the 1700x  was a pleasant surprise because  optimizations for these first gen ryzen  cpus have made them pretty competitive  in our benchmarks so with a few minor  exemptions  you can pop in an rtx 3080 into an older  amd motherboard  and expect frame rates that are within  15 of today's  best cpus now that's a cool upgrade  story you see  most games don't benefit from a massive  number of threads  but there is a thin red line between  enough  and not enough processing threads and i  think  that magic number seems to be four  because  you know we're starting to see older  processors quad-core cpus like this  ryzen 3  1300x really struggle especially when it  comes to  in-game smoothness so this should be  obvious but i guess i'll say it anyways  just don't pair a high-end gpu with a  previous gen quad-core cpu because tons  of performance  will be left on the table but enabling  smt  on the budget ryzen 3 3rd gen cpus  will make a world of difference for amd  so if you have a 1300x or 1200 you can  confidently upgrade  to the 3100 since it offers a low price  and super competitive frame rates even  against  much more expensive cpus also remember  that the upcoming rtx 3070 and more  affordable carts from nvidia  will create a gpu bottleneck even sooner  and therefore need  less cpu resources than what you've seen  here alright so i just want to wrap up  by leveling with you guys  don't take this video as a  recommendation to just go out and buy a  low end cpu and then pair it with an rtx  3080 that's just  not an ideal setup but take this video  as a tool  to evaluate what your needs are and then  hopefully lead you to a better choice  when it comes to your next  upgrade or your next build so that note  thank you so much for watching if you're  actually interested in the sort of  content especially when it comes to  upcoming gpu releases like the rtx 3070  let us know in the comments down below  i'm eber with hardware connects thank  you so much for watching  stay safe spend responsibly my friends  and i'll talk to you guys in the next  one  nope ding dongs thank you so much for  watching  if you're actually interested in this  sort of content  i give up i give up  

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